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2024-05-23 19:41:52 UTC
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Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away
SPACE
24 May 2024
ByMICHELLE STARR

An artist's impression of Gliese-12b orbiting the red dwarf star
Gliese-12. (NASA/JPL-Caltech/R. Hurt, Caltech-IPAC)
A world that bears more than a passing similarity to Earth has just been
discovered orbiting a star just 40 light-years from the Solar System.

This exoplanet has a very similar radius to our home planet, suggesting
a similar rocky composition. Tantalizingly, Gliese-12b, as the exoplanet
is named, is at a distance from its host star that could be habitable to
life as we know it.

"In my opinion, this planet will give us the clearest answer yet for any
potentially habitable planet as to whether it could support habitable
conditions," astrophysicist Shishir Dholakia of the University of
Southern Queensland in Australia tells ScienceAlert.

"Its host star is inactive, it's extremely nearby and therefore very
characterizable."

What we don't yet know is whether Gliese-12b has an atmosphere. That's
the factor that could make a huge difference to whether the world is
hospitable to life like Earth, or a scorching hell planet like Venus.

"Gliese-12b represents one of the best targets to study whether
Earth-size planets orbiting cool stars can retain their atmospheres, a
crucial step to advance our understanding of habitability on planets
across our galaxy," Dholakia explains.

Over 5,600 planets outside the Solar System, or exoplanets, have been
discovered to date, but we're yet to find an Earth 2.0. Most of the
worlds we find are larger.

That's not to say that we've not found those with similar sizes and
masses to Earth. We've found quite a few, but finding Earth-sized
exoplanets that meet the conditions for habitability is a little more
difficult.

One of those conditions is that the exoplanet needs to be within a
specific distance range from the star, known as the habitable or
Goldilocks zone. This is defined by the temperature inflicted on the
exoplanet by the star. The exoplanet needs to be close enough for any
water on the surface to be liquid, not frozen; but not so close that any
water would evaporate clean away.


An artist's impression of the Gliese-12 system, with the exoplanet
retaining a thin atmosphere. (NASA/JPL-Caltech/R. Hurt, Caltech-IPAC)
In the Solar System, Earth sits smack-bang in the middle of the
Goldilocks zone. Venus is a bit too close to the Sun. Mars is right at
the outer limits, and proof that just sitting in the habitable zone
doesn't guarantee habitable conditions – but it's a starting point for
identifying worlds that we should examine more closely for other signs
of habitability.

This is what we have with Gliese-12b. It was found in data from the TESS
exoplanet-hunting telescope, and Dholakia, his co-lead author Larissa
Palethorpe of the University of Edinburgh and University College London,
and their team followed up with a number of different telescopes to
confirm that the TESS detecting was legit.

They found that the exoplanet has a radius almost exactly the same as
Earth's, and orbits its host star once every 12.76 days. Here in the
Solar System, that would be way too close for comfort – but the star
Gliese-12 is a red dwarf, much cooler and dimmer than the Sun; the
radiation the exoplanet receives is about 1.6 times the radiation Earth
gets from the Sun.

The estimated surface temperature of the exoplanet is 42 °C (107 °F).
Earth, by comparison, has an average surface temperature of 15 °C (59 °F).

Whether or not the exoplanet has an atmosphere could play a huge role in
what the surface conditions are like, though.

"We are quoting the planet's 'equilibrium temperature', which is the
temperature the planet would be if it had no atmosphere," Dholakia says.

"Much of the scientific value of this planet is to understand what kind
of atmosphere it could have. Since Gliese-12b gets in between the amount
of light as Earth and Venus get from the Sun, it will be valuable for
bridging the gap between these two planets in our Solar System."

An illustration with different interpretations of Gliese-12b compared to
Earth, from a bare rock, to a thick, Venus-like atmosphere.
(NASA/JPL-Caltech/R. Hurt, Caltech-IPAC)
Gliese-12b gets about 85 percent of the radiation received by Venus –
but Venus is covered in a thick, choking atmosphere that generates a
greenhouse effect, resulting in an average surface temperature of 464 °C
(867 °F).

"It is thought that Earth's and Venus's first atmospheres were stripped
away and then replenished by volcanic outgassing and bombardments from
residual material in the solar system," Palethorpe says.

"Earth is habitable, but Venus is not due to its complete loss of water.
Because Gliese-12b is between Earth and Venus in temperature, its
atmosphere could teach us a lot about the habitability pathways planets
take as they develop."

Due to its proximity to Earth, radius, position at the edge of the
habitable zone of its host star, and low flare activity of that star,
Gliese-12b represents possibly the best candidate yet for studying the
emergence and evolution of habitability.

The researchers hope that they'll be able to recruit JWST for a closer
look, to see if it has an atmosphere, and what that atmosphere is made of.

"JWST will probably be able to give us a clear picture of what its
atmosphere looks like. Right now, the atmosphere of a planet is probably
the greatest significant unknown that makes or breaks any claims of
habitability," Dholakia tells ScienceAlert.

"In other words, the hypothesis that this planet is habitable is very
exciting, but it's particularly exciting that we can actually test this
hypothesis clearly. We can also extend these findings to other
potentially habitable planets around red dwarfs – the most common kind
of star in our galaxy."
The research has been published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal
Astronomical Society.
bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor)
2024-05-24 12:07:53 UTC
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With Arindam's reactionless motors a round trip should take 20 years.
bt
Kualinar
2024-05-25 19:56:25 UTC
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With Arindam's reactionless motors a round trip should take 20 years.
bt
That would mean travelling at 4 times the speed of light, witch is
impossible, using an equally impossible motor based upon impossible physics.

Won't happen.

Let just see if a small scale working prototype can ever be made.
bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor)
2024-05-26 00:09:33 UTC
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With Arindam's reactionless motors a round trip should take 20 years.
bt
That would mean travelling at 4 times the speed of light, witch is
impossible, using an equally impossible motor based upon impossible physics.
Upon correct Arindamic physics, which has literally straightened out the
infinite universe, will happen within 10-20 years.
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Won't happen.
Let just see if a small scale working prototype can ever be made.
Experiments proving Arindamuc physics have been successfully completed
by Arindam reducing the Einsteinians to surly silence.

bt
Tyrone
2024-05-26 00:33:55 UTC
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With Arindam's reactionless motors a round trip should take 20 years.
bt
That would mean travelling at 4 times the speed of light, witch is
impossible, using an equally impossible motor based upon impossible physics.
Upon correct Arindamic physics, which has literally straightened out the
infinite universe, will happen within 10-20 years.
Post by Kualinar
Won't happen.
Let just see if a small scale working prototype can ever be made.
Experiments proving Arindamuc physics have been successfully completed
by Arindam reducing the Einsteinians to surly silence.
Uh huh. Sure it has. Now it has to be reproduced by LOTS of others.
bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor)
2024-05-26 05:18:29 UTC
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Yes if they can be so scientific.

bt
Tyrone
2024-05-26 00:36:22 UTC
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Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away
"Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.
R Kym Horsell
2024-05-26 10:16:19 UTC
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"Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.
It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently slow-thinking
species never seem to take the long view on anything.
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2024-05-26 19:35:22 UTC
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I don't see why fewer and larger spacecraft wouldn't be better, for less
duplication of the weight of identical navigational, positioning and
intercommunication equipment.

Who pays to power the Gigawatt laser, and is liable for damages?

Do we really want to send a calling card to unknown strangers?
R Kym Horsell
2024-05-26 23:09:36 UTC
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Swarming Proxima Centauri: Coherent Picospacecraft Swarms Over Interstellar
Distances
Astrobiology News, 18 May 2024
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I don't see why fewer and larger spacecraft wouldn't be better, for less
duplication of the weight of identical navigational, positioning and
intercommunication equipment.
Who pays to power the Gigawatt laser, and is liable for damages?
Do we really want to send a calling card to unknown strangers?
Kinda like keeping the shades drawn so the neighbours wont think
anyone lives here.

<https://arxiv.org/pdf/1902.04450.pdf>
Tyrone
2024-05-27 00:43:50 UTC
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Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away
"Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.
It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently slow-thinking
species never seem to take the long view on anything.
What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is right
around the corner.
bertietaylor @novabbs.com.invalid (bertietaylor)
2024-05-27 01:18:27 UTC
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Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away
"Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.
It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently slow-thinking
species never seem to take the long view on anything.
What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is right
around the corner.
Funnier than those who thought that FTS travel is right around the
corner.

bt
Kualinar
2024-05-28 19:53:28 UTC
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Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away
"Just 40 years away"?   You say that like its close to Earth.
It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently slow-thinking
species never seem to take the long view on anything.
What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is right
around the corner.
Funnier than those who thought that FTS travel is right around the
corner.
bt
Faster than the speed of sound is one thing.
Faster than the speed of light is a totally different thing. First,
that's the speed of the interactions within the atoms and the atom to
atom interactions. Reach light speed and NOTHING can stay together. Even
nucleons will drift apart.
Then, there is that problem with energy having mass. If you go near the
speed of light, you have a LOT of kinetic energy, that energy increase
your mass, making it harder to accelerate. This lead to mater mass
reaching infinity at the speed of light.

Yes, that E=MC^2 is accurate. We have measured it's effect on fast
moving objects.
bertietaylor
2024-05-29 05:47:48 UTC
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Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away
"Just 40 years away"?   You say that like its close to Earth.
It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently slow-thinking
species never seem to take the long view on anything.
What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is right
around the corner.
Funnier than those who thought that FTS travel is right around the
corner.
bt
Faster than the speed of sound is one thing.
Faster than the speed of light is a totally different thing. First,
that's the speed of the interactions within the atoms and the atom to
atom interactions. Reach light speed and NOTHING can stay together.
Rubbish.
All atoms in a craft will go together at 100 times the speed of light
with Arindamic motors, within a 100 years. Internal force engines work
like that.
Fools like you will be extinct by them. Be jokes for eternity.

We cyberdoggies mean, that when the rail was invented fools like you
thought that cows would stop giving milk after seeing and fearing the
steam engines!
Same sort said that breaking the sound barrier was impossible, using
much the same stupid reasoning as you have.




Even
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nucleons will drift apart.
And cows will panic when they see steam engines!

Luddites will be luddites.
Post by Kualinar
Then, there is that problem with energy having mass. If you go near the
speed of light, you have a LOT of kinetic energy, that energy increase
your mass, making it harder to accelerate. This lead to mater mass
reaching infinity at the speed of light.
Bullshit bunkum Einsteinian thinking, fit for the biggest and most
arrogantly pompous fools the world has ever known and will ever know.
The stunning quality of this folly is extreme - bar a sane few, the
whole world believes it. Beats all myths and superstitions by the widest
margins, that way.
Post by Kualinar
Yes, that E=MC^2 is accurate. We have measured it's effect on fast
moving objects.
All you have seen is that the Earth moves in space, it is a moving
platform, so anything straight going out of the Earth must be skewed,
warped, twisted. Now putting in math mumbo-jumbo to explain that, is
what modern physics is all about. Appearance is passed off as reality.
Sometimes there is pure fraud, like explaining the solar eclipse
indicating stellar displacement as a GR effect, as opposed to optical
lensing.

bt
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"Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.
It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently slow-thinking
species never seem to take the long view on anything.
What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is right
around the corner.
People? Who cares what people can do. In 13 billion years a quintillion
real scientists can do anything.
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Kualinar
2024-05-28 19:45:20 UTC
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"Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.
On the stellar distance scale, that's pretty close. Most of the stars
that we can see are at least 10 times farther than 40 light years away.
Tyrone
2024-05-29 00:24:17 UTC
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"Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.
On the stellar distance scale, that's pretty close. Most of the stars
that we can see are at least 10 times farther than 40 light years away.
The point is that it is still way too far away from us to "go there". Even at
light speed its an 80 year round trip.
Daniel70
2024-05-29 05:37:00 UTC
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Light-Years Away
"Just 40 years away"?   You say that like its close to Earth.
On the stellar distance scale, that's pretty close. Most of the stars
that we can see are at least 10 times farther than 40 light years away.
"at least 10 times farther"?? Am I the only one who has problems with
that form of expression??

"less than one tenth the distance", sure, that makes sence but "at least
10 times farther"! Nope!! Just wrong! Unless, of course, you are
actually meaning "over 400 light years away"!!
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2024-05-29 11:18:41 UTC
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Light-Years Away
"Just 40 years away"?   You say that like its close to Earth.
On the stellar distance scale, that's pretty close. Most of the stars
that we can see are at least 10 times farther than 40 light years away.
But being close on a stellar scale is still impossibly far away.

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